RE: RE: RE:

RE:

All of you, say the following line out loud -
I bring nothing to the table

Last edited by Artie 09-10-2010 at 04:07:15 AM

RE:

Bravo Artie! This thread is supposed to be about improving the voting mechanism. So far it's been about whether or not to slam or boot someone. I liked the ideas that SS and Edwin were discussing but they keep getting replaced with rhetoric by the few most popular people on here who seem to not want things to change. It makes me think they're saying that because they're afraid. Can't this thread stay on track - Papa, it's your site, right? Make some changes - who cares what the constituency thinks, this isn't politics. If they don't like it, let them find another site - as they so proudly proclaim. Jesus already.

Tony Z

RE:

As has been evidenced here ,It seems that a certain segment of the membership, do not want any changes made, we can all make implications and theorize why these changes are not wanted, but I refuse to "throw stones" and perpetuate the animosity that has ensued.
Needless to say, most of the on topic posts in this forum have been in support of making changes, while the opposition has consisted predominantly of a very few people who have been adamantly against change.
Not going to play this game whit the "Its my game and I'll play it by My rules" mentality.

RE:

hey everyone... dano here... i would like to make a couple of points... are you all listening... ok...

1. lets look at the success of this site... 100,000+ posted poems...
40,000+ members... this is a fantastic community that i am really glad i became a part of... i am just happy to share my poetry with other people who enjoy reading it... and of course even with people who might not enjoy it so much... the fact is that the contest is just a bonus... i have not won but thats not to say i will stop trying... my time will come... and if i never do than that is ok too... i am elated by the idea that people are reading me and the acceptence of the friends i have made here is worth more than any contest win anyway

2. the current system may have flaws... and of course nothing i perefect... but it is the system that is in place and while not everyone agrees or accepts it... it is what it is... i say leave it alone... if may be bent or even fracture but it is not broken... if its not broke dont fix it... and besides if a new system is put into place and it does not include every suggestion that was made... we are going to be right back here in no time with people complaining about all over again...

3. we are here to support our community... we are poets... all of us... we write what we feel... influenced by the things that go on in our lives... in the world... inside of our own heads and deep within our own hearts... passion... fire... loss... sandness... ect... treat other people the way you would want to be treated... your inturpretation of someone elses words might be the exact opposite of the emotion or thought that they were trying to express... we have not been sent to judge the judges... we are but poets

anyway... this might read as dribble to all of you but i felt that i needed to express it... papa knows best... he will do what he feels it right and if he chooses to do nothing and leave things the way they are then that i what he feels is right and we all need to accept it and focus on what it is important... poetry

RE:

But don't you see the inherent flaw in the system? If you don't have a lot of friends, you'll never win. As you said, 40,000 members. Who can read 100,000 poems per week?

RE:

I Agree TZ, and though winning may not be the needed outcome...having your poetry read certainly is.
Winning poems" recieve more readers simply because they WON....
No further comment

RE:

but dont you see that of course there are flaws in the system.... and there will be flaw in the next system and the one after that... nothing i perfect... and you cannot please everyone and trying to would exhausting...

RE:

A "flaw" is still a "flaw" reguardless of how you wrap it, I am certain that the Bossman here was aware of the flaws inherant in the current system, and undouibtedly has been considering them quietly since the onset., I have no doubt that he is doing all within his abilities to rectify them, for this I applaud.
If the brakes in your car are not working as well as they should....should you not consider repairing them before the problem escalates? LOL

RE: RE:

RE:

OK, once again I will "leave it alone", will just say the following.....

FLAW:
•defect: an imperfection in an object or machine; "a flaw caused the crystal to shatter"; "if there are any defects you should send it back to the manufacturer"
•add a flaw or blemish to; make imperfect or defective
•an imperfection in a plan or theory or legal document that causes it to fail or that reduces its effectiveness

RE:

To: Original Poetry . com

This website is a treasure, found each day ...
RE: The contest rating system ....
* I remember how popular the Island "eliminations" were, for Monthly Poem winner
* I like having a limit on the number of poems one may submit per week...
because there's just not enough time to read hundreds.
AND ~
I totally support the "Buzz Worthy" in the Read My Poetry section, set up for Unknown Members
.....how kind, thoughtful and helpful !!!


To: Marsink ... I have missed your poems
and was so pleasantly surprised to find an impromptu poem by u ...


To: WordSlinger ... there are so many incredulous phrases in the poem you posted here...
and my favorite remains... "mind flower" as you describe Maddi...
who has become our OP rare orchid ...


To: Maddi... you are a treasure and soooo beloved
that even the dark tries to take you into the pit for a bit of light

RE: RE:

RE: RE:

RE:

@edwin:

I think you misunderstand the point that dano is trying to make. The simple fact of the matter is this... there ARE flaws in the system. No one denies the validity of that statement. However, in order to make the necessary changes to fix the flaws that YOU see, it will inevitably create a new set of flaws that someone ELSE will see.

We're here to post our poetry. We're here to READ the poetry of the other users and comment on that poetry. It's a "you scratch my back/I'll scratch yours situation. If you read and comment, others will read and comment. If you aren't willing to do that, fairly regularly... this might not be the site for you.

RE:

And so, the eyes are blinded
so many cannot see
Political correctness is rampant
However, its not for me.

I play the cards I'm given
There is no master plan
And the outcome never changes.
We start where we began

I'll not give up my trying
I will strive to get ahead
and though you may not like it
The topic isnt dead

So speak your piece and share your wants
desire cannot be faulted
eventually the game will end
and the winner be exaulted.

Ed Meyer
August 10
2010

RE:

For the love of Pete..... just give suggestions (or comments on the one's made) to improve the site if you have them.

RE: The Ins and Outs of OP

I really think alot of the fustration over this contest and the site in general is people's lack of understanding and knowledge of how to get thier peoms read. Sure if you win the contest you will get more reviews but there are other ways, tricks to the trade so to say. Also, you will notice that most of the people who win the contest are already getting a fair amount of reviews and have thus learned some of the tricks. WIth over 40,000 poets and growing, not everyone will win, regardless of how good you are, but if you want to increase you reviews, there are other ways to accomplish this. Me as well as a couple of my friends will be starting up a new forum within the next week or two, it will be called "the ins and outs of OP". It will be deticated to teaching new members to the site as well as older member who want to learn the little tricks one can do to increase thier reads and comments without winning the silly contest. I am not the most knowledgeable poet on the site, I don't have the most friends, I havn't won the contest, and I am not the best poet in the world, but I get reviews. Proof as the say is in the pudding, check out my page and look at my last 10 poems, they all have over 20 reviews, my last 6 over 30, my last 4 over 40. And my most recent is at 46 and growing. Another example: my wife is a new and inspiring poet sunshine33710, she just started writing poetry in the last couple of months, she is new to the site, maybe been here for two months now. I taught her all my tricks and look at her site, she doesn't have that many friends, She is a beginner poet, yet all her poems have over 20 reviews. I am not saying I know everything about this site, I don't but I have learned through trial and error the ins and outs of this site and that is what the new forum will be for. I will be posting eveything I know about the site, all the little tricks I have learned as well as some of my friends who have won the contest and also have learned these tricks and probably some of thier own, will be posting what they know. I will have threads for: How to get you poetry read 101, how to gain friends 101, how to increase your chances of winning the poetry contest 101, how to get published 101, how to become more active in the community 101, and more to come. I hope this forum will stop some of this whinning and complaining, yeah the contest is not perfect, I will be the first to agree, but what is perfect in this world??? really? papa always likes suggestions and takes them all into consideration and he may make some changes soon, I know he has been considering them, but in the end thier will still be people complaining and whinning, there always will be. I think we should all take a step back and really consider what the purpose of this site is and why we came here??? it really is pretty basic for most, to get your poetry read, yes no??? if this is truely your goal then come to the new forum and you can find the answers and much more. "the ins and outs of OP", coming soon... I hope this will help some. Purity of the soul, journey well!!! with grace and humility ANGEL

RE: RE:

I have listened and watched this conversation for two days now and have said nothing. Now I think I will after reading Dano here........I say Bravo

We are here for three basic reasons; despite the contest.
1. we are here for the love of writing poetry.
2. we are here for the love of sharing our words with other like minded poets.
3. we are here to make friends and expand our knowledge of poetry to become better poets.

and I say if you don't have friends to read and comment on your work then it is time you get off your butts and stop squabbling in the issue. Go read some other poets works and CLICK THE LITTLE BUTTON THAT SAYS ADD AS FRIEND. It is that simple people.......we do it everyday........The system may have faults in it but we are the ones basically to blame for them.........we want votes.....do some reading.....make friends.......and most of all..BE RESPECTFUL OF OTHER POETS AND THERE WORK......there is no reason on earth to go around bashing other peoples words if you don't like it.........Don't read it. Plain and simple........The system will work if you work for it..............ok,,,,,,,,I am done........still loves you all...........asha

OH and one other thing, critiquing another poets work does not mean you have to be hateful or mean...We learn from each other.........point out their misstates but do it in a respectful manner,,we are all adults here guys,,,,,,,can we please act like one......those that are great poets and have written great poetry will always be the leaders and it is up to us to help teach the ones who are not so good........Bashing peoples poetry because it does not flow in your rhythm especially in public is wrong.....and sending nasty private messages will get you know where.........I have learned so very much through the good graces of greater poets then me who have offered their help and suggestions on my work......I am both honored and very thankful that they have for I have become a better poet for it.........so get out there and read and make friends,,there are enough people on this fantastic site for all........loves ya all ..........just me simple country girl got her dander up.........still loves ya all.......asha

oh and Thanks to all my friends who have helped me get to where I am.......love asha

Last edited by ApaqRasgirl 09-10-2010 at 04:18:25 PM

RE:

I disagree that making friends is one of the reasons we're here. I LOVE to read poetry but am not very good at writing it so I haven't posted any poems. I've been here for several months however and as basically an 'innocent bystander' (reading but not writing), I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to read good poetry. So, an anonymous system would be more fair for picking a winner and might get some good writers who don't bother entering the contest because they have families, and jobs, and children's commitments that they put first and only post a poem and maybe read a couple, then leave the site - a chance at being read and maybe even winning, if that's their bag. The current system does nothing but encourage people to make as many friends as possible so they can be read and win. A poetry site that has contests should be anything BUT that. If that's your gig then go play on Facebook.

Tony Z

RE: RE:

HALLELUJA

RE:

Asha- I couldn't agree more that besides getting our poetry read and expanding our skills there is always a large community of friends here, I have gained some of the best friends I have ever had on this site. But this does not neccessarily solve the problem, the more friends you have is not the marrier. I know people with 200, 300, 500, over 1000, and even a couple with over 10,000 friends but they still get few reviews, this is not soley the answer. Better to keep a limited number of good friends that you know than many friends that you do not. Just because you have large number of friends doesn't mean you will get your poetry read. Angel out

RE:

tonyzeski- while you may not be here for friends, it is not realistic to think you can come here to a poet site with overe 40,000 memebers and post some poems, have no friends, and everyone come flocking to your poetry, just not reality. While I don't suggest getting hundreds and hundreds of friends you will need some if you want to get your poetry read. They don't have to be your best friends, but it is good to develop a relationship with others where you read thier poetry and they read your's, this is one of the biggest keys to getting your poetry read bar none. Angel out

RE:

artie- opninons and suggestions as you know are like assholes, everyone has one, but few people come up with constructive ways to fix the problem, few people want to put in the time and work it takes, easier to just complain. I am not a complainer, I am a doer, so that is why I am working with papa to create a new forum to help resolve some of these issues. We will see if it works. I can certainly use your help if you have time, I will PM you the details if you are willing. Angel out

RE: RE:

Thank you dear angel friend for that response back.......But it was not my intention to say that making friends will solve the problem...I am just saying that is the way the ball rolls here if you want to get read and rated on your work.......No the system is not perfect but it will not be changed in a day and certainly not by all the bickering I have read in the last two days on this topic.....The system is what it is and if we want change we have to work for it......Same as if you want comments and ratings on your poetry you have to work for it.....and yes we are here also to make friends..ummmm sorry forgot your name that made that response.....oopse me bad....these friends are not just mere friends they are other poets and some very great ones.........You want to be a better poet and be taken serious then listen to their advice.........still loves all of you here.......yes that means all 40...thousands plus......LOL asha