Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?
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Originally Posted by uspslady As for Wordslinger's referral to the Bible as a beast...well, what is a beast? It is a creature (often feared) of great power...some scoff, others go in search of such a best in awe, yet some wholeheartedly believe that such a beast exists. Or, in another context, a beast could be seen as something large, such as "That sure is one "BEAST" of a building/truck/house/etc." Insert your own phrase for that one. So yes, one could say the Bible is a Beast. It is powerful...some scoff at it, others believe, yet others go in search of its authenticity (think researchers in Jersalem, think the Dead Sea Scrolls). The Bible can evoke fear in the hearts of its believers as well as non-believers. All you have to do is read Matthew chapter 24 and the entire book of Revelation. If this surprises you because of my earlier post, don't be...I was raised in church and am quite educated when it comes to matters of the Bible/Jesus/Religion. And since Wordslinger carries his "beast" with him, I'm sure others scoff at him, perhaps even fear him, ridicule him...just as I'm sure others respect him for having the guts to be so upfront and outspoken about his beliefs. If you read this, Wordslinger, have I accurately described what you meant by "beast"? |
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Re: Re: Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Quote: Originally Posted by cousinsoren Originally Posted by uspslady As for Wordslinger's referral to the Bible as a beast...well, what is a beast? It is a creature (often feared) of great power...some scoff, others go in search of such a best in awe, yet some wholeheartedly believe that such a beast exists. Or, in another context, a beast could be seen as something large, such as "That sure is one "BEAST" of a building/truck/house/etc." Insert your own phrase for that one. So yes, one could say the Bible is a Beast. It is powerful...some scoff at it, others believe, yet others go in search of its authenticity (think researchers in Jersalem, think the Dead Sea Scrolls). The Bible can evoke fear in the hearts of its believers as well as non-believers. All you have to do is read Matthew chapter 24 and the entire book of Revelation. If this surprises you because of my earlier post, don't be...I was raised in church and am quite educated when it comes to matters of the Bible/Jesus/Religion. And since Wordslinger carries his "beast" with him, I'm sure others scoff at him, perhaps even fear him, ridicule him...just as I'm sure others respect him for having the guts to be so upfront and outspoken about his beliefs. If you read this, Wordslinger, have I accurately described what you meant by "beast"? Hi Upslady, Thanks for clearing the air about the metaphor, BEAST, Ah for the ambiguity of words! We always use the word Beast derogatively in Jamaica. e.g, You are a beast! What a beastly act! etc. And of course, th e word Beast has sinister implications in Revelation, ( Rev. 13) Last edited by cousinsoren 05-20-2009 at 06:38:34 AM |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?CadillaCricket you are trying to apply logic (as we know it) to something that is illogical; Even the theologists will tell you this...if everything fit perfectly into place then we wouldn't need faith, would we? |
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Re: Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Quote: Originally Posted by sk CadillaCricket you are trying to apply logic (as we know it) to something that is illogical; Even the theologists will tell you this...if everything fit perfectly into place then we wouldn't need faith, would we? God's ways are not our ways, and our small finite little brains cannot possibly comprehend his plans or actions. The more you get to know God the more you understand this. At any rate, trying to apply man's logic to God simply will not work...even God says he will make the "intellectual" scratch his head, and all the "head knowledge" is but folly... Wordslinger you speak truth; My husband, (thug in semi-retirement) used to call his bible his sword, and used to carry it with him everywhere he went....no shame in his game! His old buddies used to trip because they only knew one side of this man who did many wrong things...and then here he comes, back into their 'hood carrying a bible and talking about God?? He didn't care, it was "take me as I am or go on about your business"...so my respect to you for acknowledging something that in these times is becoming increasingly unpopular....but then we already knew that was coming, didn't we? And Cousinsorensin (sp); I know what you mean about the connotations of the word "Beast"; I too, tend to think of it in that way, however, it can also be applied in a manner which says, "Here is my bible - my attack dog - my beast - who will stand strong against anything and help me to fight all that is evil"...for we also all know that there is great spiritual warfare going on all around us. Your "testimony" is well taken, sk. Glad to hear that your husband redeemed himself, and in turn , was freed by CHRIST. You're helping me to comorehend WordSlingers' "Beast" and I appreciate it. Amen. Thanks. READ MY POEM. Ballad of Redemption Song. I am looking for my notes on the Redemption Monument, consisting of two giant nudes,male and female, in Emancipation Park, Kingston, Jamaica. |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?You're a bright and insightful young man Alex -good questions. |
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Re: Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Quote: Originally Posted by uspslady This is how I see it...if we are all God's children, let me ask all of you parents out there this question...could you punish your child by throwing them into a lake of fire, knowing they were going to be in excruciating pain, and subject them to unknown horrors such as flesh eating worms, not giving them anything to drink, for all eternity? I cannot foresee doing that to either one of my sons, or granddaughters, or nephews. As for the whole God/Jesus/Heaven/Hell/death debate, all I can say is this...the longer I live, and the more things I see in person and on TV, the injustices done to human beings, innocent human beings, the more I wonder...why doesn't God step in? For example...a small child is kidnapped, raped, and murdered. Where is God when that happens? If there is indeed such an all knowing, all mighty, all powerful, omnipotent God, then don't you think He could choose to save that child some how from the hands of the sick mind delivering the torture??? It's things like that that bug me. And what about all the accounts of ghosts? If we are destined for only one of two places when we die, then how do you explain ghost sightings??? Why didn't THEY go to either heaven or hell??? If anyone has any answers to these questions I would be eternally grateful, because at this point I'm convinced that when we die all we do is lay in the ground and rot. If my mom ever reads this she will probably freak and beat me with her Bible because I was raised in church, but like I said, I have just seen too much and been through too much. Or maybe I just think too much. Comments, anyone??? 'Love your openness my dear. It's the kind of world the fantasy machine in Hollywood has a loss of income from, if the world of ghosties is taken out of the picture. Nowadays we have CGI of violent machinery to keep our imaginations busy, but ghosts have factored into the box office enormously throughout the decades. Along with these images comes the more sinister "the underworld creatures". who occupy themselves with badgering the living by telling half truths and outright lies, and [trying to make our lives hell on earth if you will]. Your Mother has a biblical precedent there with the ghosties not being real ... One exception to talking with the dead?, God's one time divine exception for communicating with the dead was with the spiritual ruler of Israel Samuel. When Israels first King, (who was mentored by this Samuel) was in a state of mental anguish he visited a white witch in Endor who would [in prior days of freedom, be hired to "communicate" with the dead]. The number one problem with trying to "communicate with the dead" in those times was that because of the writings in the book of Leviticus such practices were among those listed as an abomination to God and those who practice this are under a curse from God and all such seers where banished from Israel. Countermanding his own enforcement of this law, King Saul sought out this woman in hiding while in a disguise. The reason for the banishment can be attributed to the passage stating that there is a gulf between the living and the dead which no man can bridge. It's mentioned also in the New Testament. This precludes any reality of dead to living interplay. In modern times it's quite accepted and now it's a question of ... is it real or is it fakery. There is some in the camp of ... "There is nothing supernatural - everything can be explained should the right information be revealed." Some are in the camp of ... "Well - I don't know, I think it's possible." Some are party to the experiential - the seekers of the force, and there are the happenstance individuals who's hairs on the backs of their necks rose when when they walked into a strange house with rooms that felt like someone left the freezer open, or heard strange half animal groans when there were no animals in the building. My mother has been dead now for several years. She began investing her energies into delving in the supernatural. Among the "spirit guides" she claimed to have had, were an Irishman, a delicate Spaniard girl, and someone who wasn't into telling much about himself. After four years of seeking out enlightenment the stage was being set for proselytizing. She was being groomed for the position of chief overseer in The Divine Light Order in Arizona. She had been promised a mantle and "giftings" As it was- the small time healings she was able to perform were only a pre-cursor for the greatness to come. It was a closed shop for the general public but she often shared things with me. At the time I was newly inducted into the flock of what was known as "Jesus Freaks" run by a lanky Texican with the trademark hippy hair and beard. The place was warm with the love of Jesus and I was peaceful and very reflective as I recall. I never preached to Mom as some of the kids did with their parents but I knew that something major was wrong. Several months before I flew down to her fledgling hotel set-up, she was told by one of her internal guides, that a helpmate would be hers. To aid in the selection the guide gave her two rare Spanish words to remember. If a man should speak these to you within the next two weeks - this should be the one for you. Turned out to be a reality, she married this strange Californian man and I came to stay for a few months while I operated a small screen printing business down there. One day I interrupted her dissertation to inform her ..." The spirit that I serve is not the same spirit that's working on you! " She sat bolt upright like someone put a gun to her back. Long story shortened ... The Californian man was a hindrance not a help to her, she kicked him out. Months later he skulked around the property. He came knocking on her door demanding to know why. Why what? [ In the few conversations I had with him I never understood anything he tried to say. He was simply a bizarre human being whom I was uncomfortable with] Bottom line ... he pulled out a gun and shot her. She wasn't dead. She ran through the open door - he swung around and pumped two more bullets into her back, then put the muzzle to his forehead and send himself into oblivion as well. My dear - this is not the spiritual leading anybody needs! There is a supernatural and it's on a mission to destroy ... not to build up trust if only to get to the destroying part of its misson. As far as understanding the heinous mistreatment amongst Gods creations goes, the investigation is ongoing. I wish I could offer more answers. The one thing which could be said, seems to be fodder for the furnace with most agnostics - and that's ... Since God respects the "gift" of freewill he has bestowed upon us He will not intervene until someone prays. Sounds terrible to some ears but that a basic truth as I have grown to understand it. 
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?NevillePark that is a bone chilling story, for truth usually is far scarier than anything Hollywood can create; I too have had a couple of experiences that defy logical explanation....the story is too long to relate here, but lets just say I should not have been surprised to encounter a demon while in a temple dedicated to human sacrafice...on the other hand, I also had a wonderful encounter just 9 short yrs ago....if at any time I forget who I am or what my destiny is, I recall that memory and everything is well with me again.... |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Ok this is how I look at. Last edited by WordSlinger 05-21-2009 at 02:34:08 PM |
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Re: Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Quote: I have not the foggiest idea of what you just said Well allow me to expound, I suppose... Quote: Originally Posted by denraybou what to believe,what do you believe,what do you want to believe? according to the word of God even hell was cast into the lake of fire I think if I believe in God and in His Word,I should believe in ALL his Word. The only book of his word is the Bible and that I believe. I dont believe any one knows who will wind up in hell,but i do believe there is one and even it has a final resting place in the lake of fire which according to the word of God ,is the second death,and it burns forever. how can one wind up in hell?I dont know.But to escape hell,I believe is to believe on the one who created it.God and his son The Lord Jesus Christ. I believe to escape hell is to be saved.also according to his word (God's word) there is no other name under heaven where by we must be saved.(JESUS) Quote: Originally Posted by denraybou to upslady, have you ever seen a ghost?,and if you did are you sure it was a ghost,or just a figment of your imagination.the mind is a terrible thing especially if we choose to believe a lie. No im not saying people who said they have seen a ghost are lieing or any one is lieing for that matter. but their are a lot of lies out there. i want to say to you I believe there are spirits out there or ghost what have you.but I also believe they are either demons or angels and not the ghost of a human that passed away. The word of God says there are also devils and angels,just maybe thats what a lot of sightings have been,If indeed there actually where any sightings. The word of God also says let God be true and every man a liar. and yes there is evil out there,you said so your self,Is that not the cause of the incidents that you spoke of.so now we know there is evil out there.also if there were no good there could be no evil so that tells me that there is good and evil out there. The word of God also says that God created IT,and that all things good and evil are for the good of those who LOVE the Lord and are called according to His purpose. You Must have a lot of good in you or you would not hate the acts you spoke of, or not have any feelings of remorse for any one who might be cast into a lake of fire. hell was made for the devil and his followers.note the spelling of D-evil. And I think that is actually an original biblical word. I can go on and on with this,but i will cut it short and hope you may get something good from it. The word of God also says there are none Good save God himself,I believe that if we have any good in us it must be God. I hope you hang on to the good that is in you and I also hope it even brings you closer to God.Because with out him there is no such thing as good. note the spelling also G oo d. I BELIEVE IN GOD,and I am so very glad that some one told me about Jesus The word of God also says that they are ONE. and that there is no other name under heaven where by we must be saved. note the spelling J E S U S,all I can get out of that word is JESUS. The word of WHO? GOD? I thought those were the words of Paul, and Matthew, Mark, Luke, a couple different Johns, not to mention the thoughts and interpretations of the first 500 years worth of priests and scribes interpreting it however they wanted to.. Oh, then their is that whole council of Nicea thing.. By now I would say that any WORD OF GOD that was in that book that serves as such good material for living a good life is long gone. Better to term it as the "WORDS OF CHRISTIANS" or at best the "WORDS OF CHRIST AND HIS DISCIPLES"... I won't assume that you don't know ancient Hebrew, but I will point out that IF you don't, then you have never even really read the bible.. Check out the Apocraphals HERE, you may learn something.. I don't deny that concept as evidenced in Wordslinger's testimony where the physical bible has provided him with the moral fortitude to follow his convictions, the mental strength to walk into any fire, and the wisdom to know which fires to walk away from. I hope it doesn't bug anyone to know that using the bible in this fashion is much the same as a pagan having a talisman that "wards off evil".. Sorry, but when things don't make sense I never advise that you put your "faith" in things that make even less sense. Oh, and this?: Quote: Just a thought of some post i read about evolution, if evolving happens over a time span, things turn into other things and according to theories have.Why is it not repeating itself. the time span has past. duh? if leach turned into a bat whats in between and why arn't leaches still turning into bats if a whale turned into a lion whats in between and why arn"t whales still turning into lions if a monkey tuned into a person whats in between and why arn"t monkeys still turning into persons and the beat goes on If I wanted to start an argument with you (instead of attempting to answer the above questions) I would just ask you a question like "please provide proof of a global flood, and how the aztec, mayan, toltec, olmec, and even some mesopotamian histories have no recordings of it, yet managed to survive it (contrary to YHWH's will), geology and modern science don't agree, etc..." But arguing about it serves no purpose... I will say that it appears obvious that you musta been reading that crazy www.creationscience.com site, eh? Wild how much twisting and turning those guys have to do to make their version of cration theory fit the current science available.. I found a forum for Freethought and rationalism that is full of scholars and scientists who simply LOVE debunking the creationscience site! I threw them a few and they chewed them up, so I gave up.. its www.freeratio.org , check it out, it you may learn something... And I turn back again to the statement that "when things don't make sense, what good does it do to turn to something else that makes even less sense?" Sorry to have intruded on the conversation about the fictional places (figments of your imagination) HEAVEN AND HELL. What chaps me the most is me (a NON-religious person) being lumped together with EVIL people.. Like when folks such as yourselves make the assumption, based upon your belief structure, that: "if we have any good in us it must be God." My very existance seems to refute this claim just as much as you herald it. Doesn't it? Good luck with your musings..... Hope I can keep up.. Last edited by CadillaCricket 05-21-2009 at 03:02:17 PM |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?In Sighting |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Ok my friends I had to add this.. |
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Re: Re: Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Quote: Originally Posted by CadillaCricket I have not the foggiest idea of what you just said Well allow me to expound, I suppose... Originally Posted by denraybou what to believe,what do you believe,what do you want to believe? according to the word of God even hell was cast into the lake of fire I think if I believe in God and in His Word,I should believe in ALL his Word. The only book of his word is the Bible and that I believe. I dont believe any one knows who will wind up in hell,but i do believe there is one and even it has a final resting place in the lake of fire which according to the word of God ,is the second death,and it burns forever. how can one wind up in hell?I dont know.But to escape hell,I believe is to believe on the one who created it.God and his son The Lord Jesus Christ. I believe to escape hell is to be saved.also according to his word (God's word) there is no other name under heaven where by we must be saved.(JESUS) Originally Posted by denraybou to upslady, have you ever seen a ghost?,and if you did are you sure it was a ghost,or just a figment of your imagination.the mind is a terrible thing especially if we choose to believe a lie. No im not saying people who said they have seen a ghost are lieing or any one is lieing for that matter. but their are a lot of lies out there. i want to say to you I believe there are spirits out there or ghost what have you.but I also believe they are either demons or angels and not the ghost of a human that passed away. The word of God says there are also devils and angels,just maybe thats what a lot of sightings have been,If indeed there actually where any sightings. The word of God also says let God be true and every man a liar. and yes there is evil out there,you said so your self,Is that not the cause of the incidents that you spoke of.so now we know there is evil out there.also if there were no good there could be no evil so that tells me that there is good and evil out there. The word of God also says that God created IT,and that all things good and evil are for the good of those who LOVE the Lord and are called according to His purpose. You Must have a lot of good in you or you would not hate the acts you spoke of, or not have any feelings of remorse for any one who might be cast into a lake of fire. hell was made for the devil and his followers.note the spelling of D-evil. And I think that is actually an original biblical word. I can go on and on with this,but i will cut it short and hope you may get something good from it. The word of God also says there are none Good save God himself,I believe that if we have any good in us it must be God. I hope you hang on to the good that is in you and I also hope it even brings you closer to God.Because with out him there is no such thing as good. note the spelling also G oo d. I BELIEVE IN GOD,and I am so very glad that some one told me about Jesus The word of God also says that they are ONE. and that there is no other name under heaven where by we must be saved. note the spelling J E S U S,all I can get out of that word is JESUS. The word of WHO? GOD? I thought those were the words of Paul, and Matthew, Mark, Luke, a couple different Johns, not to mention the thoughts and interpretations of the first 500 years worth of priests and scribes interpreting it however they wanted to.. Oh, then their is that whole council of Nicea thing.. By now I would say that any WORD OF GOD that was in that book that serves as such good material for living a good life is long gone. Better to term it as the "WORDS OF CHRISTIANS" or at best the "WORDS OF CHRIST AND HIS DISCIPLES"... I won't assume that you don't know ancient Hebrew, but I will point out that IF you don't, then you have never even really read the bible.. Check out the Apocraphals HERE, you may learn something.. I don't deny that concept as evidenced in Wordslinger's testimony where the physical bible has provided him with the moral fortitude to follow his convictions, the mental strength to walk into any fire, and the wisdom to know which fires to walk away from. I hope it doesn't bug anyone to know that using the bible in this fashion is much the same as a pagan having a talisman that "wards off evil".. Sorry, but when things don't make sense I never advise that you put your "faith" in things that make even less sense. Oh, and this?: Just a thought of some post i read about evolution, if evolving happens over a time span, things turn into other things and according to theories have.Why is it not repeating itself. the time span has past. duh? if leach turned into a bat whats in between and why arn't leaches still turning into bats if a whale turned into a lion whats in between and why arn"t whales still turning into lions if a monkey tuned into a person whats in between and why arn"t monkeys still turning into persons and the beat goes on If I wanted to start an argument with you (instead of attempting to answer the above questions) I would just ask you a question like "please provide proof of a global flood, and how the aztec, mayan, toltec, olmec, and even some mesopotamian histories have no recordings of it, yet managed to survive it (contrary to YHWH's will), geology and modern science don't agree, etc..." But arguing about it serves no purpose... I will say that it appears obvious that you musta been reading that crazy www.creationscience.com site, eh? Wild how much twisting and turning those guys have to do to make their version of cration theory fit the current science available.. I found a forum for Freethought and rationalism that is full of scholars and scientists who simply LOVE debunking the creationscience site! I threw them a few and they chewed them up, so I gave up.. its www.freeratio.org , check it out, it you may learn something... And I turn back again to the statement that "when things don't make sense, what good does it do to turn to something else that makes even less sense?" Sorry to have intruded on the conversation about the fictional places (figments of your imagination) HEAVEN AND HELL. What chaps me the most is me (a NON-religious person) being lumped together with EVIL people.. Like when folks such as yourselves make the assumption, based upon your belief structure, that: "if we have any good in us it must be God." My very existance seems to refute this claim just as much as you herald it. Doesn't it? Good luck with your musings..... Hope I can keep up.. i have not made any assuptions,i spoke only what I believe and what saith the Word of God and I am sorry you think im evil,they even said Jesus had a devil.By the way you must believe in evil to accuse any one there of. Your very existance,merely means you are here along with all the rest of us. not above us and not below us. first of all i will ask you a simple question,pertaining to the word (God) be truthful to your self when you answer it. how many times out of the blue in most any circumstance has the word just popped out of your mouth or in your thoughts? the words of Paul, and Matthew, Mark, Luke, a couple different Johns, not to mention the thoughts and interpretations of the first 500 years worth of priests and scribes interpreting it however they wanted to..also according to the word of God,these Men wrote under the anointing of the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit, of the All Mighty God.They were inspired or breathed upon,True prophets or men of God, speaking with the authority of.Not their own words but what was given to them,what they actually saw and heard. as far as good goes thats what I believe.(and from with in my self truly know) according to the word of God and the understanding he gave to me there is none good not you not me not the president,and not any one (Mat 19:17 ) And also,I believe God is in us all whether we accept it or not,unless we be reprobates and that is when God turned us over to the evil one and seperated us from his presence. (2Co 13:5 ) The Flood? thats a good one. prove there wasn't a flood,that only noah,his wife,his three sons and their three wives,survived,and let us not forget the creatures. how ever according to history's findings,they have found large water creatures (fossils) in deserts and mountains and many places where they ought not be, but then again they also say they found a lot of ridiculous looking dino's also.But it don't matter to me what they say as much as what they can not say. It's not what we know or see but what we believe,The Just shall live by Faith and without God I dont have any nor would I want any. what is so great or believable in this cracked up world that one would not want to believe in the Great and Terrible God and his Christ our Lord Jesus Christ. all things were created by him and for him,and every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess unto him. Isa 45:23,Rom 14:11,Phi 2:9 thru Phi 2:13 ,Col 1:16 . |
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Re: Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Quote: Originally Posted by WordSlinger Ok this is how I look at. When I was 9, 1979 I watched the Excorcist I couldn't sleep for a week ar more. And I went to church, and a brother/elder. Said to sleep with your bible, and it helped. And I learned to fight fire with fire. As time went on, when a man of faith walks into a room, people go quite, for I guess they feel something A strong willed person, so I feel stronger with Gods Wisdom. I have had people who seen the bible with me ,and ask me to read a verse or 2 Or even pray with them. As of yet no ridicule. And in my bio I mention I fought demons And it's true. Substances Spirits, and enities, with proof ,,,,Human eyes and feelings. So the only way I beat them was with my beast. And now my life as been so much better, but I'm not perfect, because I am a poet, I write all types of poetry. XXX, hate, horror, violence, and a lot of spiritual stuff, and I am afraid to put all of it on here. Just for one reason, confusion. Since I posted here on Alexs question, I have already been tested by the -negative forces, so it is no joke. So I ask all to take it serious. And as for now this is all I have to say.  Upslady yes is your answer -As of yet no ridicule Wordslinger, that is fascinating!!! And to NevillePark...my mother always told me that it IS in the bible that there are "restless spirits" roaming the earth...what do you make of that? And my husband just died 2 months ago...chillingly enough, he told me not long before to "not put away my black dress because I would be a widow soon." I have reason to believe he played a part in his own death by not taking his medications...however...still being his legal wife, I had to take care of arrangements. I had to have him cremated, and I have his ashes in my living room. The first week or two they were there, it really bugged me, and honestly, kind of freaked me out. HOWEVER...recently, there have been strange happenings in my house and I have to wonder if it's him doing it. The other morning I woke at 5:20 to what sounded like someone banging on my front door. When I got up and looked, no one was there. I have also heard what sounds like footsteps shuffling through my house, as well as things being moved, and I have also seen flashes of white from the corner of my eye, as well as SOMETHING that looks like it is moving, also from the corner of my eye. So that's kind of creeping me out. My sister believed in ghosts...so did my grandmother, and she was one of the holiest people I knew. She said certain people are born with a "veil" over their face and that means that they have certain "gifts". My sister and I have a gift...we hear "death bells" (our ears ring so badly to the point of being painful, and when that happens, it means someone we know will die soon). My grandmother had a gift of removing warts...and on and on. So how do you explain these anomalies? Because I would never attribute all of them to being something evil. And Wordslinger, I too have slept with a Bible under my pillow...my parents have witnessed demons in their bedroom, as well as angels who showed up to fight the demons. And my mother has told me, if there is a spirit present in your house, all you have to do is say, "What in the name of God do you want?" and it either has to tell you or leave. I would be too afraid to ask because I personally do want it to present itself. Comments on any of this, anyone? |
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?OK, so it wasn't my initial intent to piss you off, I was hoping that I could lend a little reason to the conversation. In retrospect I suppose my words could be read as a bit aloof, and I suppose that's where I went wrong. I will attempt to respond to you below with the utmost respect, please read it that way? Quote: Originally Posted by denraybou i have not made any assuptions, i spoke only what I believe and what saith the Word of God and I am sorry you think im evil,they even said Jesus had a devil.By the way you must believe in evil to accuse any one there of. Your very existance,merely means you are here along with all the rest of us. not above us and not below us. Hold your horses there, Denraybou.. You make all sorts of assumptions, not only with your previous circular statements, but in the very paragraph in which you claim to make no assumptions! I am really not trying to get you hopping in your chair, but I don't understand how you can say "I don't make any assumptions" in one breath and then say "I am sorry you think I am evil" in the next.. Where did you get that from? I didn't say you were evil, I didn't accuse anyone of anything, and I most certainly made no allusions to being above or below anybody......... so either I am no good at typing up a legible train of thought into a "forum essay", or you possibly misread what I said? Please, where did you get all that from? Quote: first of all i will ask you a simple question,pertaining to the word (God) be truthful to your self when you answer it. how many times out of the blue in most any circumstance has the word just popped out of your mouth or in your thoughts? My simple answer (I hate it when people say honestly, it's like saying I am used to lying but just this once I will be honest.. At best you wouldn't know if you were lying to yourself anyways, would you?) is all the time. I was raised in a culture and home where we gave reverance to the all knowing and all seeing superpower all the time. I also cry out for my mother when I am bleeding profusely (apparently, I don't remember)... The reason for both is simple.. Programming. I have been programmed. Otherwise people that don't speak english would use the same word. As I said before, explaining this is kinda lengthy and sorta aloof, so I will stop now and on to the next paragraph. Quote: what is so great or believable in this cracked up world that one would not want to believe in the Great and Terrible God and his Christ our Lord Jesus Christ. Well you answer that question with your next statement... Quote: all things were created by him and for him,and every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess unto him.Isa 45:23,Rom 14:11,Phi 2:9 thru Phi 2:13 ,Col 1:16 That's the statement that always gets me. It's always quoted as if it is the definitive proof that I, and other good hearted non-religious people like me, are just sinners who haven't come to terms with the fact that God IS. I suppose it is just baffling that a person like me, or some of my atheist, agnostic, and other non-religious friends are automatically inserted, by you, into the same group as "reprobates" simply because we deny the presence of your invisible GOD. I suppose if there were people worshipping an invisible pink elephant in the sky, I would be just as confounded by them, and would probably offend them as well when discussing something with them. But you won't convince me that there is a pink elephant in the sky either, right? As I said before, I didn't want to argue with you, which is kinda why I posted something I had written elsewhere regarding logic and reasoning, ethics and morals. We (mankind) can get along fine without some great buggaboo in the sky threatening us with eternal damnation. We are just creatures, this is all that we can be SURE that we have.. Let us not waste THIS LIFE worrying about storing up riches in some mystical (possibly falsely conceived and definitely totally unproovable) AFTERLIFE. There is no such thing as heaven or hell. There, I said it. Now I truly hope that this didn't make you mad, Sir.. I was TOTALLY not out to offend you... I was trying to offer up the best logic I could without ruffling any feathers the first time. You stated that you "had not the foggiest idea what I just said", and I got a touch overzealous in pontificating, I suppose.. But I really didn't mean to get your dander up all that bad.. You didn't get my feathers ruffled, and you DID lump me in with the "evil reprobates" of the world. You also opened yourselve up for plenty of criticism when you said you believe "every word of the bible".. There's plenty of falsehood there. It's a series of manmade documents that has been carefully pieced together and compiled to keep you befuddled and confounded so you would be OK with all the injustice you deal with every day. I am happy to continue a conversation with you regarding this, but I am afraid we have probably worn out our welcome on this thread. If you wish to continue I am sure you could start another thread, or PM me, but I would like to request that we abide by the following conversational/debate suggestions: Because science is predicated upon observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena -- evidence is important in establishing claims. Positive assertions of fact or truth require reasonable, demonstrable levels of evidential support. Positive claims made in this conversation should be supported whenever possible, and particularly when a claim is questioned. Glad we could talk, sorry again if anything I said riled you.. Consider reading Breaking a Bad Belief Structure for more clarification. After all, if you were lying to yourself, how would you know? Last edited by CadillaCricket 05-21-2009 at 09:26:17 PM |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?was it or was it no? |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Again, an interesting website for those who are interested in all sides of these types of theological wanderings (agnostics and atheists included...for they have a theology as well though they would be reluctant to admit it sometimes) is shipoffools.com. |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Children Know How to NEEL{{{{{So Have some |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?read John 3:16 |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?God's Plan Of Salvation |
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WordSlinger vs The VolcanoGod loves bump us. Last edited by WordSlinger 05-22-2009 at 01:22:27 PM |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?I will submit that if you feel that it is, in fact, absolutely necessary to engender some all knowing deity in the heavens, there are many other alternatives.. Consider: |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Peace Sells |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Peace Sells |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?WordSlinger vs The Volcano |
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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Alex run they have no clue |
The true philosopher and the true poet are one, and a beauty, which is truth, and a truth, which is beauty, is the aim of both.
Ralph Waldo Emerson, American Poet (1803-1882)