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FOF you are absolutely right....this is the evil that men do...not God...USPS this is the way of it as I understand it, and again, coming from a Christian perspective:
God is perfect; He can only be with other perfect creatures...because he gave us free will, which we immediately screwed ourselves with, we are now imperfect, and therefore not able to be with God, if he were to judge us according to his standards...enter Jesus Christ, who paid the ticket of admission....those that accept this gift are "paid for" and accepted into God's presence one day.
Those who reject God's gift remain as they are, under his judgement according to his level of perfection, which they can never achieve on their own, and so they are unable to be with God.

I believe hell is simply the absence of God...the total and complete absence of God...no fires or torture necessary...being without God would be punishment enough.

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Children do a lot of things that their parents would prefer them not to do. Free will allows them to do as they please, even when the children become adult children.

Parents get very sad when this happens.
Parent says "Don't do drugs"
Child says "okay" and does drugs
Child becomes wretched being wallowing in his own filth.
Parent is sad, tries to help and make other suggestions.
Child will not listen.
Child blames everyone except for his own arrogant pride.
No matter how bad it is, child can make it worse!
Until he matures...if it isn't too late.

Did Parent want that?

I think not!

Why do the children behave so badly?

They have been for years!

Innocents get hurt because of other childrens waywardness.

All of them have fallen short of the best for themselves.

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....and then I read sk's post.

Yes I agree hell is separation from God...and his hope...and his rightness.

Really don't truck with the fire thing. Separation from hope is hard enough.

Walk away from the light and it gets darker. Then some wonder why it is dark.

Where is the hope, the promise, the purpose?

who needs fire?

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well said lightcourier!

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Imagine the simplicity of dying of thirst?
Is that hell?? A temp Hell?
imagine it forever??

Please keep this up, I 'm writting from this.

You'll love the title.

((Satan Wants To Buy A Vowel?))
He loves to hear us growl
He really loves your thrown in towel
So that's how can one wind up in Hell?

© WordSlinger

Please keep this up
I love you all

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HELL ? I SHALL DIE LAUGHING !

JUST TO MAKE YOU LAUGH? A JOKE A DAY KEEPS THE FROWNS AWAY

A friend of mine.
Told a friend of his
That a friend of his friend
Said that a friend of his friend said
That a friend told him what a friend told him.
That the Jamaicans in hell,
Have given the Devil an ultimatum.
They told the Devil that
They were now unionized
And they were planning to strike
If the Devil did not install
Of all things in hell!
Air Conditioners!
But that is not all , My Friends.
Hear this!
They are demanding that the Devil
Of all things in hell........
They want the furnaces turned into Ovens!
My friends!
Of all things in hell
They want the furnaces adapted!
For all things in hell, My Friends.....
To bake cakes and cookies! --LOL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexgrey

When we die, our bodies are left behind, correct?
That means that our senses are no longer the tools
we use for vision, awareness, and feeling. I'm not denying
the very existence of Hell, but I do question the concept of
it being some horrible, unforgiving physical place with
curses, unbreakable laws, and unthinkable apathy.
As we die, we are said to "go to the light." The only thing
we can concentrate on while dying is going to the light,
so how can we have a choice? It's the only thing we're even
aware of at the moment, as far as I've read. So someone say
something. How can macabre visions of being chained up in
a fiery well-like furnace, in an abyss of darkness, which can't
be, considering the glow from the aforementioned flames, being
raped or such by demons or having the flesh rend from your body
and instantly heal again... how can that be an accurate depiction
of what true Hell is? We say our days have been hell, but in reality,
it just didn't go our way. It was uncomfortable, miserable, unplanned,
and just not fair. Regardless of books you read, I believe God has
a different plan for those who defy his word and live for themselves.
I don't believe the creator of all has enough empathy nor apathy for
the concept of a live-action Hell. Dungeon of fiery, eternal despair
and torment. I don't believe the concept to be as solid as it sounds,
even if it's in another dimension or on the astral plane.

About that comment, "I don't believe the creator of all has enough empathy
nor apathy for the concept of a live-action Hell" was over the top. I meant
that He knows that Hell as we know it is NOT productive, and there is no
lesson to be learned from it. God is about judgment and redemption, I think,
not torment and sadism.

By the way, this face is the creepiest emoticon I've ever seen:

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HELL? NO ! I AM A GOOD CATHOLIC. I SHALL DIE LAUGHING.

A JOKE A DAY KEEPS THE DEVIL AWAY.

There was as drunk who loved to go to night church,
He often went when he was drunk.
He was often drunk so he went often.,
The singing and the preaching
Put him to peacefully sleep.
One nght the preacher shouted ,
"Brothers and SIsters , hear me well.
Stand up all who don't want to go to hell!
Stand up and shout Hell no!"
.All stood up to shout Hell no,
All stood up, except the drunk.
The drunk was too drunk to stand.


Shouted the preacher to the drunk,
"Brother James, do you want to go to hell?"
" Bed? No! " answered the drunk,
"Lock up the the church and go ..I am
staying here till morning."
Lest you miss the point,
The drunk thought the parson said,
"Do you want to go to bed?"

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HELL? NO ! I AM A GOOD CATHOLIC. I SHALL DIE LAUGHING.

A JOKE A DAY KEEPS THE DEVIL AWAY.

There was as drunk who love to go to night church,
He often went when he was drunk.
He was often drunk so he went often.,
The singing and the preaching
Put him to peacefully sleep.
One nght the preacher shouted ,
"Brothers and SIsters , hear me well.
Stand up all who don't want to go to hell!
Stand up and shout Hell no!"
.All stood up to shout Hell no,
All stood up, except the drunk.
The drunk was too drunk to stand.


Shouted the preacher to the drunk,
"Brother , why don' you stand?
Do you want to go to hell?"
"Hell no!" answered the drunk
"Lock up the the church and go ..I am
staying here till morning."

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HELL? NO ! I AM A GOOD CATHOLIC. I SHALL DIE LAUGHING.

A JOKE A DAY KEEPS THE DEVIL AWAY.

There was as drunk who love to go to night church,
He often went when he was drunk.
He was often drunk so he went often.,
The singing and the preaching
Put him to peacefully sleep.
One nght the preacher shouted ,
"Brothers and SIsters , hear me well.
Stand up all who don't want to go to hell!
Stand up and shout Hell no!"
.All stood up to shout Hell no,
All stood up, except the drunk.
The drunk was too drunk to stand.


Shouted the preacher to the drunk,
"Brother , why don' you stand?
Do you want to go to hell?"
"Hell no!" answered the drunk
"Lock up the the church and go ..I am
staying here till morning."

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to upslady,
have you ever seen a ghost?,and if you did are you sure it was a ghost,or just a figment of your imagination.the mind is a terrible thing especially if we choose to believe a lie. No im not saying people who said they have seen a ghost are lieing or any one is lieing for that matter.
but their are a lot of lies out there.
i want to say to you I believe there are spirits out there or ghost what have you.but I also believe they are either demons or angels and not the ghost of a human that passed away.
The word of God says there are also devils and angels,just maybe thats what a lot of sightings have been,If indeed there actually where any sightings.The word of God also says let God be true and every man a liar.
and yes there is evil out there,you said so your self,Is that not the cause of the incidents that you spoke of.so now we know there is evil out there.also if there were no good there could be no evil so that tells me that there is good and evil out there.
The word of God also says that God created IT,and that all things good and evil are for the good of those who LOVE the Lord and are called according to His purpose.
You Must have a lot of good in you or you would not hate the acts you spoke of, or not have any feelings of remorse for any one who might be cast into a lake of fire.
hell was made for the devil and his followers.note the spelling of D-evil.
And I think that is actually an original biblical word. I can go on and on with this,but i will cut it short and hope you may get something good from it.
The word of God also says there are none Good save God himself,I believe that if we have any good in us it must be God.
I hope you hang on to the good that is in you and I also hope it even brings you closer to God.Because with out him there is no such thing as good. note the spelling also G oo d.


I BELIEVE IN GOD,and I am so very glad that some one told me about Jesus
The word of God also says that they are ONE. and that there is no other name under heaven where by we must be saved. note the spelling J E S U S,all I can get out of that word is JESUS.

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i think a whole lot of people take shit out of context just to have something or someone to rant about and that is evil.

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Thanks to everyone, especially cousinsoren, for sharing their ideas on this subject. Very thought provoking and interesting.

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Re: Epiphany: How can one wind up in Hell?Alex 4 U

Thank you so much gentlemen my dear friends./
Alex is a friend of mine as well as Jesus.
Alex I wrote these 2 poem asking also in my bio.



ALEX MESSAGE ME
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Can I have the MIC????
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Is there an unbreakable will inside my soul?
Is that alright to feel I have to let go?
I never wanted to meet me here
I never felt I'd be right here
There's is there and can't turn nowhere
There's just nowhere I can turn is there?

Fear is where, fear is here in this never sphere
Timed into this year, shown again the future is here
Here is here and I can't turn here
Here is just here , I can't turn here
There's just nowhere I can turn is there?
I'm in a never sphere
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My bible is a beast, it has presence

Death, sex, and Christmas presents
is a coming; they don’t spit
Heavens coming too; at a high depth
Bonus-plus, comes with a place to sit

And you want to be on the side of the recieved
I go everywhere with this beast
Keeps me warm, so healthy, so stealthy
Crazy, crazy
Everywhere with this beast

You should see their faces
and what they do
All the castles and all it’s rooms
I go everywhere with this beast

Why do you think they have bibles in motels?
It’s so you don’t check into hell
I go everywhere with this beast

They say a proverb a day keeps the devil away
I go spiritually right when I’m emotionally left
I go everywhere with this beast

The states of mind, poverty and wealth
The states of soul, heaven and hell
Sanity is often questionable
Which shouts loudly of non-sensical wisdom

Perhaps regarding mankind
Some that are dead deserve to live,
and most alive deserve to die
I let it bleed
I go everywhere with this beast

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OMG , WordSlinger,

I have to read this poignantly introspective piece again and again.
It's a mental and spiiritual storm. Why do you refer to the Bible as a beast? Rather intriquing and subtle metaphor, to make the reader ruminate, kneel and pray for undertanding and mercy from The Unknown and All-Powerful God Heaven and Earth

To journey with the beast everywhere is a tortuous road, My Brother. But is there any better companion for the awesome and unpredictable journey of life?

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As for Wordslinger's referral to the Bible as a beast...well, what is a beast? It is a creature (often feared) of great power...some scoff, others go in search of such a best in awe, yet some wholeheartedly believe that such a beast exists. Or, in another context, a beast could be seen as something large, such as "That sure is one "BEAST" of a building/truck/house/etc." Insert your own phrase for that one. So yes, one could say the Bible is a Beast. It is powerful...some scoff at it, others believe, yet others go in search of its authenticity (think researchers in Jersalem, think the Dead Sea Scrolls). The Bible can evoke fear in the hearts of its believers as well as non-believers. All you have to do is read Matthew chapter 24 and the entire book of Revelation. If this surprises you because of my earlier post, don't be...I was raised in church and am quite educated when it comes to matters of the Bible/Jesus/Religion. And since Wordslinger carries his "beast" with him, I'm sure others scoff at him, perhaps even fear him, ridicule him...just as I'm sure others respect him for having the guts to be so upfront and outspoken about his beliefs. If you read this, Wordslinger, have I accurately described what you meant by "beast"?

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Lol wordslinger's unselfishly being devoured!

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