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Sticky:POSTING!This is a perfect example why OP needs to publish |
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RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!That's great for those who are welcome in school of poetry... but what about those who don't partake in those classes. Do those individuals have the same shot as others at the contests on this site? I often wonder with the thousands upon thousands of poets on this site, who enter the weekly contests... how do they narrow down the decision as to which one will be declared the winner? That's always had my curiousity -- I would never say that there was a bad poem picked as the weekly winner... but sometimes when I read the work of the weekly winner, I see others in that poets own collection that surpasses their own poem that won ----- but ofcourse that is only my opinion. Not always, just often, always leaves me pondering how the OP narrows down such tough decisions....as to who the weekly winner is. |
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RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Charlie, Im sorry I meant that the teachings in the school can be published also. Last edited by WordSlinger 08-12-2010 at 12:41:19 AM |
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RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!I always consider myself published the minute I post online. Although, when I see my poems in a book, I would like for it to be an anthology of great ones, or other winning poems ----- or a collection of my own, which I somehow managed to hold onto without first publishing online. A collection of faves could certainly make for an interesting book of poems, but I think then you'd have all kinds of people running around wanting to know if the check's in the mail.... because their poem is in a book ------- probably best to just publish the winning poems in books. |
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RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Truth to tell, I don't really care for Kahlil Gibran; but your point is taken. (My taste runs more to Frost, Rumi, Charles Williams, Shakespeare, Byron, the unknown poet who wrote Beowulf, the Pearl Poet who composed "Gawain and the Green Knight", Yeats, Chaucer, Hopkins, some of the ancient Chinese and Japanese poets, Tom Waits and e.e. cummings.) |
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RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by Gereg Well, I still haven't found out how to delete my profile - I'm much better with older technology than modern (a good guitar, a good sword, a good Irish whistle are about On another note, I believe it was you who suggested that books of poetry could earn the poets some money. It is my understanding that poetry almost never provides anyone with a significant amount of income. There are very, very few professional poets today - usually they earn their living teaching, or doing something more prosaic (Robert Frost ran a farm for much of his life). Take care. You just need to contact support. Although feel free to change your mind and stick around. We don't like seeing people go. As for making money off books...unless you hit the NY Times best seller, even the best authors only make around $15,000 off a book. That's why you see so many write dozens. Most don't even make a thousand. Its a tough world. Very competitive. I tend to think that if you want to make money off poetry, you're almost better off complimenting it with art/drawings/paintings. Footsteps has made a fortune, and I think mainly because you can walk into a hallmark shop, see a really nice poster, and hang it on your wall. A niche needs a niche? -Papa Paczki |
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RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Gereg, Last edited by dahlusion 08-12-2010 at 11:52:40 AM |
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Sticky:I just want to add that its not about the money, it's about availability. |
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RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!LOL.......hey, where my signed copy.......roflol........teasing........great idea...loves ya asha |
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RE: RE: Sticky: havnt heard of you or your mother but have heard of Mark TwainQuote:
Originally Posted by Gereg Okay, I'm probably not going to make any friends with this, but what I want to know is, why is the quality of poetry here so generally low, and what criteria are used for determining the weekly winners? Please understand my background. I was brought up reading poetry. My mother was a teacher, as was her father. My sister is a Classics professor. Some of my own poetry has been published. One contributing poet I respect highly, JLorian, attracted me here. (I'd follow that lady's work almost anywhere.) But when she won the other week, it was with a poem she doesn't think is particularly good herself. And I have to agree, it's a far cry from her best work. Overall, I see strained metre and bad rhyme in the formal verses being contributed - in the cases when they even stay consistent as "formal verse" from start to finish, which wasn't the case in a recent winner. I see emotional self-indulgence and no artistic discipline in practically everything. I think this site has the potential to be a significant voice in poetry today. And it seems to me that's being thrown away. Art is more than passion: it's the discipline of craft blended with the creative fire. Without that balance, without that discipline, what passes for poetry is just lines that don't reach the right-hand margin. So... where are the standards? And what can be done to raise them? |
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RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by Grito I have to thank you Paczki, I have written and posted many poems in Spanish here. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Muchas gracias, Grito. Me gusta leer muchisimo tus poemas, muy excitantes. Yo no puedo componer poemas en espanol. No tengo bastante la cultura de ritmo et cetera ..............(Sonrisas)      
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RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by Grito I have to thank you Paczki, I have written and posted many poems in Spanish here. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Muchas gracias, Grito. Me gusta leer muchisimo tus poemas, muy excitantes. Yo no puedo componer poemas en espanol. No tengo bastante la cultura de ritmo et cetera ..............(Sonrisas)
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RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by Gereg Yes, it's true; I am a walking palindrome. I admit I have looked at little more here than the entries in the weekly contest, and a few other works of the writers who entered pieces. But practically none of what I've seen so far - including the winning pieces - has been of publishable quality.in traditional poetry publications. And that disturbs me. Which leads me again to the question: who decides the winning pieces? According to what criteria? And - my chorus - what can be done to raise the standards? ####################################################################] Gereg, I agree with you that the judging of the Weekly Contest needs re-regulating . I disagree here with you, Gereg.on the matter of poetic quality on the OP site. . There are some excellent "publishable" pieces: and winners appearing on the OP site. Look closer. We must bear in mind ,also that it is poets, even from the days of the Greeks, who consciously or unconsciously determine poetic forms and genres , for each age, and not the other way around. As a matter of fact, it is impracticable to try to judge modern poetry with traditional yardstick or balance-scales. . In fact, though it is feasible for contemporary poets to study the traditional forms and the formS for each age,and treasure them, it is not incumbent to adhere to these forms. For the vitality of poetry to be maintained, each age must explore its own.. . |
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RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by Gereg Yes, it's true; I am a walking palindrome. I admit I have looked at little more here than the entries in the weekly contest, and a few other works of the writers who entered pieces. But practically none of what I've seen so far - including the winning pieces - has been of publishable quality.in traditional poetry publications. And that disturbs me. Which leads me again to the question: who decides the winning pieces? According to what criteria? And - my chorus - what can be done to raise the standards? ####################################################################] Gereg, I agree with you that the judging of the Weekly Contest needs re-regulating . I disagree here with you, Gereg.on the matter of poetic quality on the OP site. . There are some excellent "publishable" pieces: and winners appearing on the OP site. Look closer. We must bear in mind ,also that it is poets, even from the days of the Greeks, who consciously or unconsciously determine poetic forms and genres , for each age, and not the other way around. As a matter of fact, it is impracticable to try to judge modern poetry with traditional yardstick or balance-scales. . In fact, though it is feasible for contemporary poets to study the traditional forms and the forms for each age,and treasure them, it is not incumbent to adhere to these forms. For the vitality of poetry to be maintained, each age must explore its own.. . Last edited by cousinsoren 09-24-2010 at 01:09:26 PM |
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RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by Aria I have found OP to be like a home with many rooms where friends often gather. Some of my friends have better conversational skills, some are deep thinkers, some are romantics and some are incredibly great poets. You will find the poets here who speak to you, in your language and I would encourage you to stay and visit for awhile before dismissing the site. Just like life, you will find people who speak the same language as you. I do not consider your post arrogant at all, I consider it fair comment from a poet new to the site. I welcome you to OP. ************************************************************************************************************* Aria, I am greatly pleased with these consoling advice you offer here to our new friend, Gereg. I am glad that he has realized that he can freely criticize, without fear of acrimony towards him. In fact anything he has to say ( as long as it is free of invective, insult or rancour) is welcome. I hope he will quickly recognize that the OP site is a sort of family to all of us, young, old,able and disabled, talented or untalented , experienced or inexperienced. .............LOL..........and we have complete faith in our moderator, Papa, our administrators and our judges. That does not mean that we will refrain from critiquing them, as well as our fellow poets.,as we are always seeking improvements for the common good of all. In my thinking, every poet on OP is a student of poetry, as in order to grow , we learn everyday. Therefore criticism must be constructive and specific in order to help each of us to be a better poet. Last edited by cousinsoren 09-24-2010 at 01:29:53 PM |
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RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by linlee Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can. linlee  All you need to do,is click "Edit" and adjust the stanzas. Cool runnun's |
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RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by linlee Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can. linlee All you need to do,is click "Edit" and adjust the stanzas. Cool runnun's |
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RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by linlee Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can. linlee All you need to do,is click "Edit" and adjust the stanzas. Cool runnun's |
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RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by linlee Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can. linlee All you need to do,is click "Edit" and adjust the stanzas. Cool runnun's |
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RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by linlee Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can. linlee All you need to do,is click "Edit" and adjust the stanzas. Cool runnun's |
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RE: Re: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by linlee Does anyone here know how to put poems up with spaces between the stanzas? I can't seem to get anything to work, so now I just print (space) between my stanzas. It's not great, but it works. I'd much rather be able to actually have spaces. Please help me if you can. linlee All you need to do,is click "Edit" and adjust the stanzas. Cool runnun's |
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RE: Sticky:POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by WordSlinger
This is a perfect example why OP needs to publish more than just one book per year, maybe compilations, and individuals, there is plenty of room for all of us, no one needs to leave. Or here this a reader can select poems for their own book, their favorite poems/poets, so there is no crying, and let the numbers do the talking instead of great people walking. Like the school of poetry. There are numberous outlets. ################################################################### Hey, John. I like what you say here, Nice driving. ....................LOL If you all start believing, and listen, most people would stay. How many poets from Vol 1 are active? There are more questions that can be raised to that one, but lets see where you think Ill go with that. Anyways, no matter,, I'll be Slinging poems to the Day I am called home, drink beer with Emily D. And play checkers with Poe, yep.... WS PS Books are not the only thing that poems can be printed on. PS2 What About Bob? 
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RE: Sticky:POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by WordSlinger
This is a perfect example why OP needs to publish more than just one book per year, maybe compilations, and individuals, there is plenty of room for all of us, no one needs to leave. Or here this a reader can select poems for their own book, their favorite poems/poets, so there is no crying, and let the numbers do the talking instead of great people walking. Like the school of poetry. There are numberous outlets. ################################################################### Hey, John. I like what you say here, Nice driving. ....................LOL If you all start believing, and listen, most people would stay. How many poets from Vol 1 are active? There are more questions that can be raised to that one, but lets see where you think Ill go with that. Anyways, no matter,, I'll be Slinging poems to the Day I am called home, drink beer with Emily D. And play checkers with Poe, yep.... WS PS Books are not the only thing that poems can be printed on. PS2 What About Bob?
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RE: RE: Sticky: READ BEFORE POSTING!Quote: Originally Posted by Gereg Truth to tell, I don't really care for Kahlil Gibran; but your point is taken. (My taste runs more to Frost, Rumi, Charles Williams, Shakespeare, Byron, the unknown poet who wrote Beowulf, the Pearl Poet who composed "Gawain and the Green Knight", Yeats, Chaucer, Hopkins, some of the ancient Chinese and Japanese poets, Tom Waits and e.e. cummings.) Well, I still haven't found out how to delete my profile - I'm much better with older technology than modern (a good guitar, a good sword, a good Irish whistle are about my comfortable limit; and you should have seen how long it took me to muster the courage to conquer my fairly simple recording software so I can get to work on making a disc of a few of my songs). So I'm not gone yet, although I've got a query in with the site management as to how to delete my profile. But the issue of available time vs. probable mutual benefit is a legitimate one. I regret that it seems selfish to you; but consider it in this light: if I can contribute something, that's good, but if I contribute without receiving something I value equally in return (be it money, criticism that helps me, whatever...) then I'd simply be draining a resource of which no one has an unlimited supply. And as noted, I've got a LOT of projects going. (I didn't even get into the subject of my martial arts school, which used to provide my prime income... and the work of trying to rebuild it in the current state of the economy... nor the time it takes a 55-year-old man to keep his technique clean and growing.) On another note, I believe it was you who suggested that books of poetry could earn the poets some money. It is my understanding that poetry almost never provides anyone with a significant amount of income. There are very, very few professional poets today - usually they earn their living teaching, or doing something more prosaic (Robert Frost ran a farm for much of his life). Take care. You forgot to mention Chaucer's Pornographic poetry, Gereg. Chaucer is celebrated as the Father of English poetry, not Beowulf.......................LOL |
Poetry is what gets lost in translation.
Robert Frost (1875-1963) American Poet.