Voters .. Stand Up .. Sound Off

Hypothetically .. say you're a poet tied in first place at the end of an honest contest.
Your poem consists of no grammatical errors yet a poem tied with yours contains a
grammatical error and is chosen as the winning poem over your unblemished poem.
Should it be accepted that this faulty poem is declared a winner ? Should rules really need to state the obvious .. ramifications pertaining ? Should the faulty poem chosen carry an asterisk ? Voters .. Stand Up .. Sound Off! Simply something to toss about !

StandingBear

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Personally, I hate to see grammatical errors, spelling errors, etc. They interrupt the flow of a poem. It also makes me wonder how much time the poet spent editting and perfecting their piece.

That said, I also tend to try and experience the feel and emotion of a poem. I think in general I would break the tie by "voting" for the poem with no errors...the exception being if the poem with the error affected me the most.

Of course, I've made errors too...embarassing as hell!!!

kah

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Think of it like a sport, SBear. How many people cuss the refs more than the other team, for their bad calls. Sometimes we don't agree with the refs calls, but other times we know the ref is right and we choose to cuss em anyways for taking the ball away from our team.

Your my buddy on this site, so don't take this wrong, but I don't think spelling and grammer is necessary to win all contests. When I rate others poems for the OP weekly contest, where rating is what matters, I take it down a notch if I see grammer and spelling errors, which I won't fuss if done in return to me, although it sucks when someone slips a nine in. But I do try not to rate on topic or wether I disagree with the poets ideas, because that's not fair to the individual. As for the contests, I think it's about getting your writing noticed above all else, and not necessarily about winning. I can say this only because I did not win! So know your writings are enjoyed and were a pleasure for all to read

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Oy vey!

Personally, what I think is the voting off process should be eliminated. Let all the poets continue throughtout the entire contest then tally up the votes...he or she with the most votes overall should be the winner. But the rules changed a lot during month one and what stood at the beginning was lost by the end so who knows...sour grapes? Maybe. But the rules should certainly not be in constant flux. Let's hope the bugs have been resolved going into Contest 2.

The Poetry Survivor contest was not run by this site and this site did little to promote it. Perhaps in the coming months OP will do more...perhaps not. At any rate, it goes to the whim of the voting readers; those who voted positively for the pieces they liked and, sadly, those who felt it was necessary to play the antagonist for reasons of their own. It is with the latter that I take issue...that sort of behavior isn't allowed anywhere else on this site.

I do believe, though, that better promotion and support from the site would have allowed for a greater audience and maybe a different outcome.

Nevertheless, my congratulations to the winner. Does it make him a better poet than the rest? No, not necessarily. But I think I can lose with some grace.

Peace.
JL

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Speaking hypothetically, I a poetry and anthology consumer wouldn't spend money
on a book containing grammatical errors.
That's my two cents worth!

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In, response to JL, I think the site as been pretty supportive of Toms idea by having it mentioned in the weekly advisory they send each time the weeks contest winner is announced. I hope the rules do not change, as the idea of the contest itself, I thought were a good idea...No Ratings, just comments. If another comments not knowing whose piece it is, then consider yourself a good writer that you were able to stir someone enough to make them want to comment. It is not the OP contest, but a rather another great attribute available to the sites users to have fun with, which was monitored completely voluntarily by the designer of the contest. There will kinks in any game or contest, but I hope more get involved in the future, and I also hope that Tom doesn't bend to accomadate everyone, because you can never make everyone happy at once, and it is his contest. By the way, I am a very sore loser, I just choose not to share that side of me here lol.

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interesting thread, StandingBear ... i had that thought as i was commenting on ALL the final contestants (sorry about that ... i wasn't much help as far as a "tie" was concerned) ... that if i had to choose one over another, i would give demerits for grammatical errors ... and there was at least one ...

hmmmmm ...

also agreed, that ideally before something goes into "print" ... it's VERY clean ... and winners of this contest, in theory, do go to "print" ...

however ... this seems like such a fine point ... how to break a tie ... and there are so many ways of rating work ... perhaps chock it up to "close call" and enjoy the exposure??

enjoying the contest entries ... thx to all who are playing "survivor" !

-dh

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First of all, I think that, all things considered, we need to revise the voting system, However, I feel wrong bringing up problems with no solutions...

second, I, as one known for typos, would like to apologize for any offense or discredit I have done any of you by my oversights. I am also aware the version of "whlaer's wind" I submited to the anthology had a typo in it, and I;d like to apologize for that in particular.

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I think, that the whole thing is being blown out of proportion. It was a light-hearted bit of competition. Nothing more. It was just a typo, why do you care so much? Let it go.

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Turning sour grapes into wine...(or whine)

lol

I was disappointed...but inspired.

Having felt this small disappointment, then speaking with a close friend experiencing a much greater disappointment, I was allowed to commisserate a bit more and that lent itself to a new piece I'm writing...something that is a bit of a stretch for me. And that's a very good thing.

My disappointment does stem, though, from the small attention this contest has generated thus far. I hope that OP will interview the monthly winners. I hope those interviews cause more folks to tune into the contest. I hope that by the end the comments are greatly enhanced...not just 10 or 20, but 90 or 100. (Sorry, Tom...that would be a great deal more work for you!)

No hard feelings of any sort. I'm glad I participated. And I am happy for the winner...whose name I'd have to look up, sorry. He took the top place in the final two weeks and that speaks to his great gift. Kudos! Should we be sure spelling and punctuation are accurate? Yes, I think so. Otherwise it's like my sister's cooking...excellent except for the burned parts...boy I hope she doesn't read that!

Peace.
JL

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I thank everyone for their time to comment pertaining to these issues.
Today it's been acknowledged by Tom that there was a double vote by
a single voter using two profiles .. thus placing "Bombs Over Utopia"
one vote less than "The Final Decisions" at the ending of Week 4 per
this Poetry Survivor January contest. "Bombs Over Utopia" is presently
declared the winning entry though in all truth this entry has resulted in
2nd Place due to an "acknowledged illegitimate vote".

"Voters .. Stand Up .. Sound Off"

StandingBear

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holy cats! who knew what a can of poets you were opening up??!
lol!
much luv ... still a great contest ...
-dh

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the truth is difficult to swallow for some .. lol! much luv for sure! great contest!

StandingBear

Last edited by StandingBear 02-16-2010 at 12:36:58 AM

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Originally Posted by StandingBear

Hypothetically .. say you're a poet tied in first place at the end of an honest contest.
Your poem consists of no grammatical errors yet a poem tied with yours contains a
grammatical error and is chosen as the winning poem over your unblemished poem.
Should it be accepted that this faulty poem is declared a winner ? Should rules really need to state the obvious .. ramifications pertaining ? Should the faulty poem chosen carry an asterisk ? Voters .. Stand Up .. Sound Off! Simply something to toss about !

I am ignorant of the grounds for disaffection here, but there ought to be a tribunal soon on OP, to resolve such issues as this, which may arise from time to time.

StandingBear

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Originally Posted by StandingBear

Hypothetically .. say you're a poet tied in first place at the end of an honest contest.
Your poem consists of no grammatical errors yet a poem tied with yours contains a
grammatical error and is chosen as the winning poem over your unblemished poem.
Should it be accepted that this faulty poem is declared a winner ? Should rules really need to state the obvious .. ramifications pertaining ? Should the faulty poem chosen carry an asterisk ? Voters .. Stand Up .. Sound Off! Simply something to toss about !

I am ignorant of the grounds for disaffection here, but there ought to be a tribunal soon on OP, to resolve such issues as this, which may arise from time to time.

StandingBear

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Originally Posted by StandingBear

I thank everyone for their time to comment pertaining to these issues.
Today it's been acknowledged by Tom that there was a double vote by
a single voter using two profiles .. thus placing "Bombs Over Utopia"
one vote less than "The Final Decisions" at the ending of Week 4 per
this Poetry Survivor January contest. "Bombs Over Utopia" is presently
declared the winning entry though in all truth this entry has resulted in
2nd Place due to an "acknowledged illegitimate vote".

"Voters .. Stand Up .. Sound Off"

StandingBear

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Last edited by cousinsoren 02-16-2010 at 03:17:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie23

Think of it like a sport, SBear. How many people cuss the refs more than the other team, for their bad calls. Sometimes we don't agree with the refs calls, but other times we know the ref is right and we choose to cuss em anyways for taking the ball away from our team.

Your my buddy on this site, so don't take this wrong, but I don't think spelling and grammer is necessary to win all contests. When I rate others poems for the OP weekly contest, where rating is what matters, I take it down a notch if I see grammer and spelling errors, which I won't fuss if done in return to me, although it sucks when someone slips a nine in. But I do try not to rate on topic or wether I disagree with the poets ideas, because that's not fair to the individual. As for the contests, I think it's about getting your writing noticed above all else, and not necessarily about winning. I can say this only because I did not win! So know your writings are enjoyed and were a pleasure for all to read [/quote

You are on the ball, Charlie. I agree with you.]

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Last edited by cousinsoren 02-16-2010 at 04:16:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cousinsoren

Originally Posted by Charlie23

Think of it like a sport, SBear. How many people cuss the refs more than the other team, for their bad calls. Sometimes we don't agree with the refs calls, but other times we know the ref is right and we choose to cuss em anyways for taking the ball away from our team.

Your my buddy on this site, so don't take this wrong, but I don't think spelling and grammer is necessary to win all contests. When I rate others poems for the OP weekly contest, where rating is what matters, I take it down a notch if I see grammer and spelling errors, which I won't fuss if done in return to me, although it sucks when someone slips a nine in. But I do try not to rate on topic or wether I disagree with the poets ideas, because that's not fair to the individual. As for the contests, I think it's about getting your writing noticed above all else, and not necessarily about winning. I can say this only because I did not win! So know your writings are enjoyed and were a pleasure for all to read

[You are on the ball, Charlie. I agree with you.]

Last edited by Charlie23 02-16-2010 at 10:33:01 AM

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not caring about typos! KT and cousinsoren! you're horrifiying me!
lol
as a professional proofreader ... sigh ...
that said ... i'd rather read work with typos than no work at all ...
thx again to all the contributors ... and charlie ... i'll check out your work!
-dh

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Originally Posted by Charlie23

Originally Posted by cousinsoren

Originally Posted by Charlie23

Think of it like a sport, SBear. How many people cuss the refs more than the other team, for their bad calls. Sometimes we don't agree with the refs calls, but other times we know the ref is right and we choose to cuss em anyways for taking the ball away from our team.

Your my buddy on this site, so don't take this wrong, but I don't think spelling and grammer is necessary to win all contests. When I rate others poems for the OP weekly contest, where rating is what matters, I take it down a notch if I see grammer and spelling errors, which I won't fuss if done in return to me, although it sucks when someone slips a nine in. But I do try not to rate on topic or wether I disagree with the poets ideas, because that's not fair to the individual. As for the contests, I think it's about getting your writing noticed above all else, and not necessarily about winning. I can say this only because I did not win! So know your writings are enjoyed and were a pleasure for all to read

[You are on the ball, Charlie. I agree with you.]

Thank you cousinoren! I personally think people need to keep in mind the two contests on this site are completely separate from each other. One is run by the OP, the other is not!

I do agree with some here that you do not want spelling and grammatical errors within the OP Anthology Book. If they allowed poems in that included such errors, it is unlikely the book would sell.

As for Poetry Survivor contest it's more about the status quo of a poets awesomeness. So that being said, SBear has every reason to be about 2nd place. I also was very then about only going a week, cuz I think most everyone takes pride in their work.

That being said, I intend to post a poem later this morning, entitled, "The People". I have thoroughly checked my work for spelling and grammar, and it looks very good to me. So if you do not find any errors when reading this poem, then please allow it to go to the end of the contest, so the judges can check it out. Thanks.